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The Strong Towns Podcast is a weekly conversation on the Strong Towns movement, hosted by Strong Towns Founder and President Charles Marohn and frequently featuring special guests. The podcast explores how we can financially strengthen our cities, towns, and neighborhoods and, in the process, make them better places to live. Join Chuck in examining how everything from urban design to economics to systems theory to psychology helps inform this core question.
Episodes

May 14, 2018
May 14, 2018
28 min
Chuck and Rachel discuss Strong Towns' role in CNU26 in Savannah, GA, including live podcast recordings, an interactive debate, a Strong Towns 101 presentation and a meet-up. Get all the details here.
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
- Overview of Strong Towns activities at CNU
- How to Join in on Strong Towns Events at CNU (whether you're attending or not)
- "The Little Law Office That Could" by Rachel Quednau
- Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates: The Forgotten War That Changed American History by Brian Kilmeade
- The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic by Benjamin Carter Hett
- Cadillac Desert: The American West and Its Disappearing Water, Revised Edition by Marc Reisner
- Skin in the Game: Hidden Asymmetries in Daily Life by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
- Flint Town (Netflix series)

May 10, 2018
May 10, 2018
47 min
Kea Wilson is Strong Towns' Director of Community Engagement and, as of a couple days ago, the proud owner of a new four-family building in her hometown of St. Louis, Missouri. This is the second property that she and her partner have purchased and managed as landlord and developers and today we brought her on the Strong Towns podcast to talk all about that experience. (She's also been detailing her journey toward purchasing this property in a series of articles on the website this week.)
In this in-depth and honest podcast conversation, Kea and Rachel discuss:
- What does being a developer look like and why do it in the first place?
- How do you weight the costs and benefits of a given property (both monetary and non-monetary), and make the choice to pull the trigger on a purchase?
- Is it possible to provide quality affordable housing and still break even or make a profit as a small scale developer without deep pockets?
- What are the challenges and benefits of being a landlord?
- How can we incentivize more landlords to care about their tenants and neighborhoods? What financial, social or political systems would need to change to make this the norm?
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST:
- In Defense of Housing: The Politics of Crisis by Peter Marcuse and David Madden
- Mr. Money Mustache (blog)
- Bigger Pockets (real estate investing resource)
- Incremental Development Alliance
- "Who can afford to invest in a poor neighborhood?" (series) by Kea Wilson
- Podcast: Why a Simple, Frugal Life Will Make you a Happier Person (with Kea Wilson)
- "Find a Place You Love that Needs You" by Sarah Kobos
- "Stuck: Why rent- and mortgage-burdened Americans don't always move to cheaper pastures" by Kea Wilson
- The Greenlining Institute

May 7, 2018
May 7, 2018
27 min
Rachel's guest this week is Strong Towns member and occasional writer, Alex Baca. Alex just published an article on Strong Towns called "Homeownership for whom?" about the flawed model of homeownership as a platform for building household wealth — and who is excluded by that model. Alex and Rachel discuss the position of homeownership in American culture and the economy. They also chat about Alex's thoughts on bikeshare and recent updates in the bikeshare world like dockless bikes and scooters.
Mentioned in this podcast:
- Homeownership for whom? by Alex Baca
- Gerontopoly: Homeownership, Wealth and Age by Joe Cortright
- Strong Towns events in Peoria, IL
- What Cities Need to Understand About Bikeshare Now by Alex Baca (on CityLab)
- Here’s What You Can Read If You’d Like to Think About Cities In Exactly The Way That I Do — an extended book list by Alex Baca
- Can't Stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip-Hop Generation
- Follow Alex on Twitter @alexbaca.

May 3, 2018
May 3, 2018
1hr 6 min
Today we've got the audio from a recent Ask Strong Towns webcast conversation featuring friend of Strong Towns and Principal at Urban3, Joe Minicozzi, and hosted by Chuck Marohn.
You can watch the video from this webcast as well as see a list of questions covered here: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/4/30/ask-strong-towns-2-with-joe-minicozzi
Visit the Ask Strong Towns page to learn more about this webcast, submit a question and get info about the next episode: https://www.strongtowns.org/ask-strong-towns

Apr 30, 2018
Apr 30, 2018
16 min
Rachel's guest this week is Strong Towns Growth Manager, Max Azzarello. He discusses his nomadic lifestyle and the reason he might be settling down somewhere permanently soon. He also talks about why he drives a scooter and a recent book he's been digging.
Mentioned in this Podcast
- Public Murals for Positive Change - An Interview with Pasqualina Azzarello
- Ask Strong Towns Celebrity Edition feat. Joe Minicozzi (today at 10:30 am CT)
- May 1 event in Wichita, KS
- May 3 event in Chattanooga, TN
- May 9-10 events in Peoria, IL
- A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster by Rebecca Solnit
- How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
- Wild, Wild Country (TV series)

Apr 26, 2018
Apr 26, 2018
40 min
Chuck has been meeting with local leaders across the country for the last several months in closed door conversations. One question he often asks these elected officials and city staff is "What do you wish people understood better about your job?" He consistently receives a very similar set of answers: "We wish the public understood how difficult this job is." "We wish people grasped how limited our resources are." "We wish people appreciated how much we do and had a little more patience." ...and on and on. The truth is that wishing these things will never make them happen, he argues. City leaders have to do their jobs despite the lack of resources and appreciation. If you want to work for a city government and make decisions on behalf of your town, you will receive critiques and high expectations, says Chuck.
Here's the real question: How do you do the job despite these things? Hear Chuck's answers on this latest episode of our podcast.

Apr 23, 2018
Apr 23, 2018
24 min
Rachel's guest this week is Chuck Marohn, and he recaps a recent series of events in Akron, Ohio as well as his article for today, The Real Reason Your Local Mall is Failing.
Mentioned in this podcast:
- The Real Reason Your Local Mall is Failing
- Join us for upcoming public events in West Grove, PA, Wichita, KS, and Chattanooga, TN.
- Strong Towns members are invited to attend our April 30 Q&A Webcast with special guest Joe Minicozzi of Urban3.
- Being Mortal: Illness, Medicine and What Matters in the End by Atul Gawande

Apr 16, 2018
Apr 16, 2018
14 min
This week's guest is Strong Towns Development Director, Bo Wright, who discusses the organization's new partnership in Akron, Ohio, which will spur a yearlong conversation on how to make the city a strong town, supported by the Knight Foundation. Bo talks about what we hope to accomplish this year in Akron and why it matters to everyone — not just Akron residents.
Contact quednau@strongtowns.org if you have a request for a future guest on this podcast.
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST:
- Learn more about our work in Akron here: www.strongtowns.org/akron
- Join us for a Curbside Chat and meet-up in Akron on Tuesday, April 17
- If you're in the Akron area, please join our Strong Akron Facebook group to follow this conversation.
- The Long Game podcast by Jon Ward
- The Achievement of Wendell Berry by Fritz Oehlschlaeger
- The Party Faithful: How and Why Democrats Are Closing the God Gap by Amy Sullivan
- Depolarize! Podcast
Visit www.StrongTowns.org/Podcast for the show notes.

Apr 13, 2018
Apr 13, 2018
1hr 7 min
Who is against you? That's a question Chuck Marohn is often asked when he presents Strong Towns ideas at events and in conversations. One group in particular is a growing voice in opposition to Strong Towns. These are the folks who say: "We really like Strong Towns. We like your ideas... But don't you see that the problems you're discussing are so big and intertwined with so many other challenges that we can't afford to act incrementally? We have to take major steps to solve major problems. Small-scale actions are not going to cut it here."
Today on the podcast, Chuck responds.

Apr 9, 2018
Apr 9, 2018
27 min
Rachel's guest this week is Strong Towns member and contributor, Arian Horbovetz, who blogs at The Urban Phoenix and lives in Rochester, New York. He discusses the universal challenges that Rust Belt towns deal with, his optimistic yet pragmatic view on urban revitalization, and his sociologist's perspective on these trends.
Mentioned in this podcast:
- TheUrbanPhoenix.com
- The Big Urban Mistake: Building for Tourism vs. Livability by Arian Horbovetz
- Join us tomorrow for a Strong Towns presentation and Meet-up in Thompsonville, MI
- The New Localism: How Cities Can Thrive in the Age of Populism by Bruce Katz and Jeremy Nowak (also check out our January 2018 podcast interview with Bruce Katz about this book)
- The Impolite Company podcast
